AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 4, 2015 Partager Posted July 4, 2015 Salam wa3likoum et saha Ramdankoum. Bon, j’avoue que je ne suis pas une personne qui bouquine (sauf durant les études et tout ce qui est littérature technique) et je n’ai jamais lu un roman ou de la fiction, jusqu'à quelques jours où j’ai acheté l’Alchimiste, vu que je j’ai tellement entendu parler par diverse occasions.. alors je l’ai lu et vraiment j’ai aimé beaucoup, pas trop long et surtout de belles succession d’idées et l’histoire elle-même fascinante…. Il reste que je suis un personne qui ne commencera pas à bouquiner et lire de la fiction dans le très prochain future, sauf si je tombe su un ou deux livres similaires ou meilleurs que l’Alchimiste dans le contenue….. alors ma requête aux « connaisseurs chevronnés et munis d’une âme fébrile et artiste » : Recommandez vous des ouvrages pareils ou meilleurs (pas trop long)…du même auteur ou peut être Yasmina Khadra ou autres auteurs que je pourrais acheter ici a Alger pas cher ….en passant les prix sont aléatoires…. Une librairie le vendait dans les 400 ou 500 DA alors que la librairie du tier monde près de l’Emir affichait le prix régulier de 300 DA…. Enfin vos suggestions sont les bienvenues, j’attendrai tout vos feedbacks et je les classerai après en lisant vos commentaires sur ce que vous proposez… PS : Je me souviens une fois il y avait sur Canal Algérie une émission littéraire qui invitait des romanciers et artistes, et exposait des échantillons de livres a la fin, par exemple je me souviens une fois ca parlait d’un titre genre l’impasse du Maltai, ou d’autres histoire qui allait même en Afrique de l’Est évoquant des trafiques d’armes avec de terroristes… etc.. ce que je veux dire c’est que l’animateur de cette émission serait une personne idéale pour demander des recommandations …mais je sais qu’ici il y a plein de livrivores . Et merci d’avance. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 5, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 5, 2015 hum, personne n'a lu? Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest George Bish Posted July 5, 2015 Partager Posted July 5, 2015 hum, personne n'a lu? j ai entendu parle de ce roman il y a 6ans. je l ai entre les mains depuis quelques jours..je voudrais profiter de mon voyage en ce moment pour le lire. je ne suis qu au debut, mais d apres le synopsis je te dirai ; dans le meme genre t as : la prophétie des andes en fr,ou The Celestine Prophecy de James Redfield si t es fan de jeux video, il y a neverwinter nights, ca a le meme style. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 6, 2015 j ai entendu parle de ce roman il y a 6ans. je l ai entre les mains depuis quelques jours..je voudrais profiter de mon voyage en ce moment pour le lire. je ne suis qu au debut, mais d apres le synopsis je te dirai ; dans le meme genre t as : la prophétie des andes en fr,ou The Celestine Prophecy de James Redfield si t es fan de jeux video, il y a neverwinter nights, ca a le meme style. Non je connais meme pas comment ca marche ces jeux video, honetement aucune attraction ou interet envers eux.. Je te laisserais finir de lire l'Alchimiste et tu nous en diras apres? Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thalwith Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 bonsoir ; j'ai lu pas mal de roman de paulo cohlo, l’alchimiste m' a pas vraiment marqué, j 'ai plus apprécié la solitude du vainqueur, Sur le bord de la riviére Piedra, je me suis assise et j'ai plleuré, (ils sont un peu volumineux par apport a l'alchimiste) j’aime son style simple mais ses sujets sont répétitifs:crazy::crazy: , sinon toute sa sélection est disponible dans dans les librairies et a des prix très abordables Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dark Shadow Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 Je n'ai pas eu encore l'occasion de lire le livre mais d'après le résumé, c'est un livre philosophique, du coup je te propose deux livres un peu philosophiques qui font assez réfléchir : La peau de chagrin d'honoré de Balzac La dame aux camélias d'Alexandre Dumas fils Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 6, 2015 Peut être que c’est, c’est a cause de moi le « lecteur » et les endroits cités, le contexte. De l’Andalousie vers l’Egypte en passant par le Maghreb. Le Mektoub et tant d’autres choses. Je l’ai cherché sur Google et même chose, semblerait il a plusieurs que c’est l’un de meilleurs de Coelho. Sur Amazon, l‘Alchimiste reste bien coté à lire les commentaires là-bas. Mais peut être aussi c’est parce que c’est une histoire très simple pour le simple lecteur que je suis…Dans ce sens, j’ai trouvé d’autres qui le critiquaient, par exemple j’ai fait un copier-coller d’une qui plutôt le trouvait genre livres d’enfants et plutôt proposait sa liste préférée à elle: Source: The Alchemist - Who was not impressed by the Alchemist? (showing 1-50 of 343) Sara Okay, so I spent far too much time trying to get URL tags to work. My apologies, but they won’t behave in this format, so you’ll have to copy and past Okay, so I spent far too much time trying to get URL tags to work. My apologies, but they won’t behave in this format, so you’ll have to copy and paste. But ALL of these have titles on GoodReads, so you should be able to pull them up with minimal effort. Not all of these works are directly related to the specific philosophy proposed in The Alchemist, but these are some of the greatest books that I’ve read that actually made me think and were comprised of a philosophy that fit in something larger than a greeting card. Some of these works also terrified the living crap out of me, which is a good thing. To vaguely paraphrase Nietzsche, “When you gaze into the void, the void looks back into you,” and that experience can sometimes be the experience of true and riveting terror. However, the experience of staring into the void can be like staring toward the stars balanced within the vacuum of space—the majesty within has the potential to be transformative. So, below are some of those writings that have had that power for me, or that reveal a great deal of thought on the part of the writer that are ultimately successful (at at least for me) at inspiring thought, reflection and growth. I separated them by type of work, for your convenience. Poetry Trilogy by H.D. (Hilda Doolittle) A bit dense to unpack (but what good poetry isn’t?), but Trilogy is a synesthesia of philosophical and mythological perspectives. Written while she was in Europe during World War 2, the trilogy of long poems weaves together the cultures and religions of a variety of modern and ancient Western cultures and performs its own splendid alchemy in creating an incredibly moving piece of unified poetry that discusses the sublimity that transcends religion and conflict. I can’t begin to describe how much I love H.D. as a poet, and this is the height of her talent as a weaver of words that was truly transformative for me in my first read. View With a Grain of Sand: Selected Poems by Wisława Szymborska An amazingly underrated poet in the West, Szymborska is a recipient of the Nobel Prize in literature. Her style is sort of a direct postmodern imagism that has a knack for making seemingly ordinary or even absurd moments utterly profound. The Waste Land and Other Poems by T.S. Eliot Chances are, if you’ve heard the term “Waste Land” referenced in popular culture and art, the speaker was referencing this poem. I can’t promise that this one’s terribly positive overall (okay, so it’s downright depressing), but the piece is so overwhelming and moving that I couldn’t keep it out of the list. He addresses the issue of the loss of self that is so common starting especially in the modern era. He offers no answers, but instead points a microscope at the inner process and asks all the right questions. I’d also strongly suggest reading “The Hollow Men,” which was initially supposed to exist as a part of this original text. And everything else he wrote. Seriously. He’s amazing. Transformations by Anne Sexton Taken from the rich history of Western mythology and fairy tales, Sexton weaves a series of poems that are personal, penetrating and, at times, darkly humorous. Philosophy The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell This text that essentially launched entire theoretical analyses in literature is a little dated, but I still find the core idea fascinating—the idea that we, as a human culture, carry within us some sort of proclivity toward a heroic narrative that’s roughly common across cultures offers possibilities for consideration of the psyche that binds us as a species. Straightforward where authors like Coelho tend to be vague, I appreciate Campbell’s direct approach to the idea that while culture is unique, those things that drive us emerge from much further within. Self Observation: The Awakening of Conscience: an Owner's Manual by Red Hawk I’m on my second round through this book, and it’s pretty fantastic. His ideas are simple and extremely powerful if put to use, though the practice he proposes can be deceptively simple. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting this man in person and discussing his ideas face-to-face, and he is obviously someone who practices what he preaches. Practical and direct, I really feel that Red Hawk encompasses a philosophy in these pages that should be taken very seriously. The idea of stillness and self-examination as the core to balance exists, to some degree, in numerous religions, but I love how he manages to break through pretension and present it in a dense, but short, text. Gita Wisdom: Krishna's Teachings on the Yoga of Love by Joshua Greene This is the most accessible way to approach the Bhagavad-Gita, one of the seminal religious texts of Hinduism, that I’ve ever read. Greene does a splendid job of encapsulating the ideas of the work in a practically verse-by-verse analysis. The Heroine’s Journey by Maureen Murdock I felt this book was a more personal recounting by Murdock rather than the generalist analysis that some think it is supposed to be. I thought it was a fascinating look into the quest to find the self inside the parameters set out in a society in which you may not necessarily be the “target audience.” It also discusses the ways that “the hero’s journey” may not apply across the board when the goals of the text isn’t centered toward the same core goal. Leans sometimes toward the “self-help” drivel that I find annoying, but overall I think the ideas presented are very useful. Is Real Only Then, When I Am: All and Everything by G.I. Gurdjieff I’m just starting this one—just grabbed it from Amazon a few days ago for my Kindle—so I’m not sure I can entirely honestly recommend it quite yet, but I do know Coelho lifts liberally from Gurdjieff and others of his ilk for his work, so I decided to mention him in particular. This is the third in the series, but its summary was also the most compelling for me. Novels The Telling by Ursula K. Le Guin This one’s still a bit didactic, but I can’t get over the minimalistic beauty of her style. I also appreciate the fact that Le Guin suggests the dangers of something that is all too common in modern society—extremism. She illustrates two extremist societies in the piece, and both are equally fascist, even if the core motivators behind each society are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum (religion and Capitalism). While the culture of The Telling itself is fascinating, I was more drawn to the story for the fact that it illustrates so beautifully how the Tyranny of the Majority can destroy the beauty within the “dissident” elements of society. Variety creates beauty, not uniformity. The Dispossessed by Ursula K. LeGuin This is another novel of Le Guin’s that pursues some rather deep socioeconomic issues and asks some significant philosophical questions about the nature of all people (can’t say just humanity, considering the story!) and the motives of individuals and society and what we do with the power to rule. I greatly appreciate the fact that the negative aspects of both societies are unabashedly presented by the author. Definitely a book that inspires reflection on perception of what is “right.” Till We Have Faces: A Myth Retold by C.S. Lewis I received this book as a Christmas gift and was entirely glued to it for a couple of days until I’d made it through the story. An exquisite retelling of the Cupid and Psyche story from a unique point of view, Lewis does a splendid job of illustrating the inner conflict that comes when we run up against the boundary between the sublime and the mundane. House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski Read this with the lights on. This disjointed, glorious mess of a book will have you measuring your walls and reaching to the end of your closets, not to mention where the line lies between truth and madness. But it also illustrates so splendidly the nature of the self and examines the root of all fear. Probably the best and most frightening book I’ve ever read. I adore the fact that he not only challenges the reader’s perception of reality, but also of the entire format of the traditional book as well. Equus by Peter Shaffer Not technically a novel, but I didn’t want to make a new category just for a single play. This is a masterpiece of postmodernist questioning, a terrifying examination of the basic human psychological need for the catharsis of worship, and the damage that can be done when that need is juxtaposed against a resistance of that very basic need. Graphic Novels India Authentic: Volumes 1 and 2 by Saurav Mohapatra Retelling of Hindu myths in illustrated beauty and accessible prose, with each chapter (initially each issue release) focusing on one god or goddess. These stories make them real in a way that I’d never experienced before, and expose the beauty and tragedy of the rich stories that make up the pantheon of Hindu divinity (and, since these gods and goddesses speak to very real aspects of the self—they are all a part of Vishnu, after all—each is revealing in its own way). It’s so sad that Virgin comics went under. They were creating really amazing works of reflection and great stories that managed to do a fantastic job of exploring the self in a genre that’s still often trying to grasp at its potential. Logicomix: An Epic Search for Truth by Apostolos Doxiadis (Author), Christos H. Papadimitriou (Author), Alecos Papadatos (Illustrator), Annie Di Donna (Illustrator) Part graphic novel, part philosophical text, Logicomix is an examination of logic and life through the lens of a surprising medium. This comic examines the structure of logic, mathematics and philosophy in a really down-to-earth manner. Sometimes I felt that they were actually a little more confined by the medium than I’d like, but that might be by virtue of the fact that I was already familiar with some of the basic concepts they were expressing. It’s a really great way to launch dialogue about the ideas brought up in the book, and hopefully to encourage the reader to pursue more. Asterios Polyp by David Mazzucchelli This is easily one of the best graphic novels I’ve read—an examination of the meaning of, to borrow from Douglas Adams, “life, the universe and everything.” I find the main character a bit angsty, but I think that overall his ennui is understandable. This graphic novel manages to do everything that Coelho attempts to do on a regular basis in his work and falls flat on his face attempting to accomplish. The concepts illuminated here aren’t new, but the presentation and the plot completely blew me away. Read. Now. Then think about it for a week, a month, a year. Then reread it. Fantastic. I’d give it six stars if I could. Watchmen by Alex Ross I can’t talk about philosophical graphic novels without talking about Watchmen. This one is going to probably leave you just as cheerful as Asterios Polyp, and perhaps less so, actually, because it speaks of similar themes on a wider scale…the consequences of an increasingly hopeless society on the eve of Apocalypse. Alex Ross was reading a lot of T.S. Eliot when he wrote this one. Now you see why this took me a couple days. ;) This is actually a rather limited list based on the pieces that came to mind—since I spent a bit of time on each one, I tried to avoid making the list TOO terribly long, or I’d still be writing. But these are definitely a good start. Grab one and follow the inner labyrinth they open up as you read. Disclaimer: writer of this post claims no responsibility if the Void devours you in the process. ;) (less) 03 oct. 13:48 Aimee Sara, I appreciate the time you put into this...I will dive right in! Thanks again 03 oct. 20:15 Sara Not a problem! I have a great deal more, especially in the realms of philosophy and religion, but as far as "entry level" philosophy, etc., the titles Not a problem! I have a great deal more, especially in the realms of philosophy and religion, but as far as "entry level" philosophy, etc., the titles I list are probably the best. If you want the more "in-depth" philosophers, I am happy to provide those, too (included would be thinkers like Nietzsche, Julian Jaynes, Plato, Heideigger, Black Elk and perhaps even Simone DeBeauvoir). Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 6, 2015 j ai entendu parle de ce roman il y a 6ans. je l ai entre les mains depuis quelques jours..je voudrais profiter de mon voyage en ce moment pour le lire. je ne suis qu au debut, mais d apres le synopsis je te dirai ; dans le meme genre t as : la prophétie des andes en fr,ou The Celestine Prophecy de James Redfield si t es fan de jeux video, il y a neverwinter nights, ca a le meme style. The Celestine Prophecy semble surclasser The Alchimist selon ce site : The 12 most influential spiritual books of the past 50 years - Matador Network Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 6, 2015 ... Alors en considérant ce qui a été dit ici et ce que j'ai lu en ligne, j'ai mis la liste d’échantillons suivante (pour des lecteurs novices comme moi): la prophétie des andes en fr,ou The Celestine Prophecy de James Redfield Richard Bach : Jonathan Livingston Seagull and Illusions Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman The Little Prince Le Petit Prince de St-Exupéry The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran. Wangerin, Walter, Jr : The Book of the Dun Cow Noah benShea : Jacob the Baker: Gentle Wisdom For a Complicated World Paulo Coelho : The Alchemist Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Grantita 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 ... Alors en considérant ce qui a été dit ici et ce que j'ai lu en ligne, j'ai mis la liste d’échantillons suivante (pour des lecteurs novices comme moi): la prophétie des andes en fr,ou The Celestine Prophecy de James Redfield Richard Bach : Jonathan Livingston Seagull and Illusions Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman The Little Prince Le Petit Prince de St-Exupéry The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran. Wangerin, Walter, Jr : The Book of the Dun Cow Noah benShea : Jacob the Baker: Gentle Wisdom For a Complicated World Paulo Coelho : The Alchemist Bonjour, Je crois que si tu lis les premiers dans la liste, nul besoin de lire l'Alchémiste. Ce n'est qu'une très pale copie de certains de ces livres. J'ajouterais aussi 'Zadig ou la destinée' de Voltaire. J'ai lu quelques romans de Coelho, et franchement c'est toujours la même formule. Une arnaque. Et pourtant ça se vend comme des petits pains :rolleyes: Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Ambrine 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 Je trouve compliqué de te conseiller ... tu ne sembles pas être un grand lecteur (pas dans le mauvais sens). Quels sont tes centres d'intérêt ? Tu préfères que l'histoire se déroule aux US, en Europe, en orient ? Cite un autre roman qui t'a plu, l'alchimiste est de la belle daube pour moi, pas de la littérature, c'est un sandwich macdo, quoi. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Grantita 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 Je trouve compliqué de te conseiller ... tu ne sembles pas être un grand lecteur (pas dans le mauvais sens). Quels sont tes centres d'intérêt ? Tu préfères que l'histoire se déroule aux US, en Europe, en orient ? Cite un autre roman qui t'a plu, l'alchimiste est de la belle daube pour moi, pas de la littérature, c'est un sandwich macdo, quoi. Je n'ai pas voulu le dire en ces termes, mais je suis d'accord :mdr: Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Ambrine 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 On est bien d'accord ... et tous ses autres "bouquins" aussi. Soyons sérieux, ils ne nous apportent rien ni dans l'écriture ni dans le contenu ... on est loin de Mohamed Dib, Amin Malouf, Kateb Yacine, Ibn Arabi, Malek Hada (en vrac) et j'en passe. Non ? Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Grantita 10 Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 On est bien d'accord ... et tous ses autres "bouquins" aussi. Soyons sérieux, ils ne nous apportent rien ni dans l'écriture ni dans le contenu ... on est loin de Mohamed Dib, Amin Malouf, Kateb Yacine, Ibn Arabi, Malek Hada (en vrac) et j'en passe. Non ? Tout à fait. Et on dit que c'est un philosophe par dessus le marché! :mad: Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Laziz 208 Posted July 6, 2015 Partager Posted July 6, 2015 hum, personne n'a lu? C'est vieux. C'est ce que l'on appelle du New-âge cheap. On utilise la spiritualité (dans son cas il est chrétien), et l'on navigue sur les émotions, l'imagination et la pensée positive. J'imagine que si on veut lire qqch de bon quand on ne lit jamais et qu'on aime l'ésotérisme, on doit trouver son compte dans ce genre de littérature. Personnellement, il me sort par les oreilles. De toute façon, je ne lis que rarement des romans et ce n'est certainement pas lui que je lirais si le goût m'en prenait. Dans le même genre de lecture, il y a Deepach Chopra, mais lui est plus tourné hindou mais à la fin, c'est quasi la même chose. À mon avis, dans cette veine mais beaucoup plus sérieux, moins angélique, une bonne lecture, facile, serait Goldmund et Narcisse de Herman Hesse Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 7, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 7, 2015 Pour confirmer, oui je ne suis pas un grand lecteur de romans comme je l'ai précisé au début, surement vous avez raison mais peut être c'est ce que je recherche, des histoires pas très longues et avec des idées simples et continues, j'avoue j'aimes ce que j'ai lu dans l’Alchimiste, surtout la fin ... j'ai pas trouvé les autres livres dans quelques libraires d'Alger, j'ai trouvé le petit prince et le prophète de GKG. J'ai fini le petit prince hier, je préfère encore l'Alchimiste. Je chercherai les autres livre en lignes plu tard. En passant, merci à tous pour les commentaires...; très intéressants... je viens de commencer Le prophète de KG et ça me semble d'un style très poétique,peut être pas ce que je cherches, suis-je trop simple!!!... L’idée des auteurs Algériens (en Arabe et en Français) me tente aussi... Citer Link to post Share on other sites
K-Nas 10 Posted July 8, 2015 Partager Posted July 8, 2015 Lu kho, il ya mon livre fb.com/kasseursworld (haters go away:p) sinon, ce que je lis: Guillaume Musso, il a ces derniers temps un peu d'orientations feminin mais pour débutant tu peux commencer par -Fille de papier il ya Stephen king Mr Mercedes et co il ya litterature russe je te fais liste de mes boquins que j'aime bcp (bonne chance que tu les trouve en Français...) : - Jack kerouac : The city and town, On the Road - Stephen king : Mr Mercedes Bag of bones Mesery - Nobkov : Lolitta - Gogol - Ho chi minh ( vietnam) - Tolstoy : Anna kernina, mes confessions etc (tous ces livres sont cool) - Dostoweiski (mon hero) : le joueur Punishment - il y a plein d'autres mais cherche litterature moins francophone c'est à dire hemmingway, Maupassant(lol) etc Muapassant - bel-ami est cool Oscar wilde : - Dorian Gray il y a aussi Nedjma de Yacine il ya beaucoup de choses à découvrir tu sais, la chance de débutant il a beaucoup de choses à découvrir avant tu te spécialise dans un genre, sinon tu peux lire biographies extraordinaires : Steve jobs ( Isaacson walter) Einstein ( meme auteur walter) Abraham lincoln qui a liberé les noirs (meme auteur walter) losing my virginity ( Branson le fondateur de Virgin Group) Aller bonne chance Oublier pas k Nas et Kasseurs! ciao ciao Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AbdenourPaix 10 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Partager Posted July 11, 2015 J'ai pris notes.. merci Citer Link to post Share on other sites
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