Guest kowalski Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 planet earth is getting closer to a critical era , the pollution in all its forms , the rising of the temperature , the melting of the icebergs , .... etc ... soon we will see phenomena that perhaps the human kind has never seen before , our body structure won't support all theses changes , we won't be able to survive the rude nature of our planet in the coming decades ! so the point is , what if we change some properties of our bodies ? , it sounds like a science fiction issue however I believe it can be possible , what if we change a human's DNA to produce a human with a skin that can endure the high temperature and the frigid air ! , ... a human who can breath under water , or an environment full of CO2 , ... etc is it ethically prohibited ?! , ... and if it's doable , would it bring more comfort to our lives ? ! what are your opinions ? Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Couscous Nomade 10 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 We already survived the last ice without human selection and genetic engineering is still in its infancy.This would open the door to social Darwinism.(survival of the richest).It is a dangerous science as far as I am concerned since only the rich would be able to become " Übermensch" (higher IQ,higher,higher adaptability...) Our best chance would be to explore other possibilities like epigenetics,perhaps we will be able to grow back our fur. lol Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kowalski Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 We already survived the last ice without human selection and genetic engineering is still in its infancy.This would open the door to social Darwinismthe idea isn't inspired from darwin's theory , yet we can call it as the evolution of the human kind to another species which is stronger physically and even mentally .(survival of the richest)this would be a problem , .. but let's consider that all people would have the same chance .It is a dangerous science as far as I am concerned since only the rich would be able to become " Übermensch" (higher IQ,higher,higher adaptability...) Our best chance would be to explore other possibilities like epigenetics that would be better,perhaps we will be able to grow back our fur. lol ................................. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Couscous Nomade 10 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 I surely wasn't implying that the idea was inspired by Darwin's theory of the evolution by any means.I wanted to say that social Darwinism advocates would seek to apply some evolutionary principles such as "survival of the fittest " to human societies . I have lost faith in humanity and I do not believe that genetically engineered humans would be treated equally. lol BTW,what is your intake on human cloning ? Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kowalski Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 I surely wasn't implying that the idea was inspired by Darwin's theory of the evolution by any means.I wanted to say that social Darwinism advocates would seek to apply some evolutionary principles such as "survival of the fittest " to human societies . I have lost faith in humanity and I do not believe that genetically engineered humans would be treated equally. lol BTW,what is your intake on human cloning ? well , i don't have enough knowledge about this , ... what I know is that cloning is taking a human egg , we remove its nucleus , and instead ,we inject the DNA from the person to be cloned , this turns it from being an egg to a cloned human embryo . then it develops stem cells which will be later developed to form living human tissues .. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mandragora Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 planet earth is getting closer to a critical era , the pollution in all its forms , the rising of the temperature , the melting of the icebergs , .... etc ... soon we will see phenomena that perhaps the human kind has never seen before , our body structure won't support all theses changes , we won't be able to survive the rude nature of our planet in the coming decades ! so the point is , what if we change some properties of our bodies ? , it sounds like a science fiction issue however I believe it can be possible , what if we change a human's DNA to produce a human with a skin that can endure the high temperature and the frigid air ! , ... a human who can breath under water , or an environment full of CO2 , ... etc is it ethically prohibited ?! , ... and if it's doable , would it bring more comfort to our lives ? ! what are your opinions ? Bonjour, Puisque tu parles de science fiction, je te conseille de regarder Gattaca ou encore The Island. Ça permet de réfléchir sur la question. Mon opinion ? Pourquoi ne pas essayer de sortir de notre connerie (en bon québécois : se déniaiser), respecter l'environnement et changer nos façons barbares de nous conduire sur terre, plutôt que de changer notre ADN afin de survivre dans un environnement complètement déséquilibrer à cause de notre stupidité... Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AnoNimos 12 455 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 planet earth is getting closer to a critical era , the pollution in all its forms , the rising of the temperature , the melting of the icebergs , .... etc ... soon we will see phenomena that perhaps the human kind has never seen before , our body structure won't support all theses changes , we won't be able to survive the rude nature of our planet in the coming decades ! so the point is , what if we change some properties of our bodies ? , it sounds like a science fiction issue however I believe it can be possible , what if we change a human's DNA to produce a human with a skin that can endure the high temperature and the frigid air ! , ... a human who can breath under water , or an environment full of CO2 , ... etc is it ethically prohibited ?! , ... and if it's doable , would it bring more comfort to our lives ? ! what are your opinions ? Sounds unuseful....It is easier and much more interresting to build space ships and change planets environment:) Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mandragora Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 Sounds unuseful....It is easier and much more interresting to build space ships and change planets environment:) Ah ben oui, de nos jours, il semble plus facile d'envahir d'autres planètes et de changer leur environnement, que de se déniaiser sur terre :D Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Thouraya 10 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 Mon opinion ? Pourquoi ne pas essayer de sortir de notre connerie (en bon québécois : se déniaiser), respecter l'environnement et changer nos façons barbares de nous conduire sur terre, plutôt que de changer notre ADN afin de survivre dans un environnement complètement déséquilibrer à cause de notre stupidité... Je ne veux pas avoir l'air de te harceler mais Battlestar aborde toutes ces thématiques... Je dis ça, je dis rien... :D Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AnoNimos 12 455 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 Ah ben oui, de nos jours, il semble plus facile d'envahir d'autres planètes et de changer leur environnement, que de se déniaiser sur terre :D Toucher l´ADN risque d´anéantir l´existence et surtout aptitudes de l´humain du futur.... C´est comme avoir besoin d´un fil pour sa télécommande et aller le couper dans un détonateur dont on ignore oú se situe la charge :) Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mandragora Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 :mdr::mdr: mdr ! Thouraya ! Je t'envoie de gros bisous ! J'ai pas oublié :p N'deber'ha bientôt :04: Toucher l´ADN risque d´anéantir l´existence et surtout aptitudes de l´humain du futur.... C´est comme avoir besoin d´un fil pour sa télécommande et aller le couper dans un détonateur dont on ignore oú se situe la charge :) Se déniaiser, c'est pas changer son ADN :04: Regarde mon premier post. C'est changer ses habitudes barbares sur terre. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AnoNimos 12 455 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 :mdr::mdr: mdr ! Thouraya ! Je t'envoie de gros bisous ! J'ai pas oublié :p N'deber'ha bientôt :04: Se déniaiser, c'est pas changer son ADN :04: Regarde mon premier post. C'est changer ses habitudes barbares sur terre. Aucun changement ne se fera sans nécessité...et la seule nécessité sera un cataclysme...et malheureusement les humains ne sont pas assez convaincus ni préoccupés (Aprés tout la moyenne c´est de 80 ans...et donc il est fort possible que le responsable de ce cataclysme ne vive pas assez longtemps pour etre convaincu que ses comportements en sont l´origine):p Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kowalski Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 Bonjour, Puisque tu parles de science fiction, je te conseille de regarder Gattaca ou encore The Island. Ça permet de réfléchir sur la question. Mon opinion ? Pourquoi ne pas essayer de sortir de notre connerie (en bon québécois : se déniaiser), respecter l'environnement et changer nos façons barbares de nous conduire sur terre, plutôt que de changer notre ADN afin de survivre dans un environnement complètement déséquilibrer à cause de notre stupidité... malheureusement on peut maintenir notre environnement sain seulement si on abandonne quasiment nos activitées industrielles , ce qui est presque impossible . Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kowalski Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 Sounds unuseful....It is easier and much more interresting to build space ships and change planets environment but this would require much more funding Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Thouraya 10 Posted July 9, 2013 Partager Posted July 9, 2013 :mdr::mdr: mdr ! Thouraya ! Je t'envoie de gros bisous ! J'ai pas oublié :p N'deber'ha bientôt :04: De toute façon, je ne vais pas te lâcher! :D Citer Link to post Share on other sites
AnoNimos 12 455 Posted July 10, 2013 Partager Posted July 10, 2013 but this would require much more funding Really? Oh man come on...just use your brain:mad: Do you know how much will that cost to just...understand the DNA and developpe the tools to touch it? it will be a great great.....great project ... and will spend a lot....huge amount of money ... just to understand the 60% of it and most important just 5% of how every change affects the human.. Building Space Ships is just...easier, mechanical, and very known...the fact is that we already did it with a very "Stupid" knowledge. Changing Planet environment? This is also easier than understanding the whole DNA Process....in fact...we already did it in a small area... But what could helps human to be "The next Generation" for Nimos, are two things: - The use of electronics implemented on the human body (Access to information by thoughts, "télékynes" will just be a fact human will move, start stop, and command their environment thanks to implemented systems on their body..) humans will then be just able to start cooking by thinking and the machines will all do what is required to. - The use of nana robots, this will be the very dangerous and incredible advance humans will give as a gift to the next generation Human, life will be better, injuries, illness, and a lot of health troubles will just desapear...and life will reach 100 years as a norm and with an excellent body abilities. All this does not mean Human will be in "Heavens", all these advances suggest a very dangerous theme, for example access to others brains, brains controls, and massive destruction of brains, privacy of the body and security of the body due to the Nana machines....etc Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kowalski Posted July 10, 2013 Partager Posted July 10, 2013 Really? Oh man come on...just use your brain:mad: I'm using it perfectly , .. and it seems that you don't . Do you know how much will that cost to just...understand the DNA and developpe the tools to touch it? it will be a great great.....great project do not exaggerate , there are already many other projects that has been launched : example : the hadron collider that helped to discover the higgs of boson , it costs about 1 billion dollars annually to run, more than 10000 employees , ... and many other huge projects ... and will spend a lot....huge amount of money ... just to understand the 60% of it and most important just 5% of how every change affects the human.. not that big , they just didn't give it a big importance because of an ethical point of view , they see it almost as a crime , .. the selection and mutation tests can be carried out on animals , just to reduce the cost of the operation , and when the DNA is well discovered and can be modified they pass to humans Building Space Ships is just...easier, mechanical, and very known...the fact is that we already did it with a very "Stupid" knowledge. yea it's easy to build a spaceship which can take humans to the moon but what about mars or another distant planet , or getting out of the solar system ? , it requires a lot to reduce the effects that this space travel can cause to these astronauts Changing Planet environment? This is also easier than understanding the whole DNA Process....in fact...we already did it in a small area... if you're talking about earth's environment , yea that would be easier yet if any mistakes occurs that may have cruel consequences . If it's about another planet , well the process is much more complicated than it may seem , to make another planet relatively similar to earth !!! just think about the atmosphere's layers ,the structure of its crust and what is it composed of , it's climate changes , the gravity , most importantly the existence of oxygen and water .... etc But what could helps human to be "The next Generation" for Nimos, are two things: - The use of electronics implemented on the human body (Access to information by thoughts, "télékynes" will just be a fact human will move, start stop, and command their environment thanks to implemented systems on their body..) humans will then be just able to start cooking by thinking and the machines will all do what is required to. they already began and even advanced in this project ,they capture the signals of the brain corresponding to some actions ( the conscious thoughts not the subconscious ones ) they filter and amplify theme to be used to control an electronic system . however this won't help nohow in the adaptability of the human body with the environment changes - The use of nana robots, this will be the very dangerous and incredible advance humans will give as a gift to the next generation Human, life will be better, injuries, illness, and a lot of health troubles will just desapear...and life will reach 100 years as a norm and with an excellent body abilities. firstly I don't see how nano-robots will prevent from injuries or make'em disappear , it's more an organic chemical matter , only if these robots help somehow in the reproducibility of the human tissues , ... to prevent from illness nano-robots has to make the difference between the original and the malicious bodies which is kinda complicated to be performed All this does not mean Human will be in "Heavens", all these advances suggest a very dangerous theme, for example access to others brains, brains controls I can say that we don't really need machines to control brains , we just need someone who has a great ability to convince people , especially nowadays where the stupidity and the lack of the analytic thinking has reached its highest rate , and massive destruction of brains, privacy of the body and security of the body due to the Nana machines....etc ...................... Citer Link to post Share on other sites
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