TOPIC : communicating in English

[djamal 2008 10]

And never for bag ?! :02:

 

Signed The Marble :04:

 

 

Eric Clapton sings : Lay down Sally ... remember the song?

 

 

 

 

 

In general, irregular verbs are troublesome to learn. Regular verbs create their past and past participle forms by adding “d” or “ed” to the stem of their infinitives (love, loved, loved), but irregular verbs create past and past participle forms by altering their stems in unpredictable ways.

 

A number of common irregular verbs give people trouble, particularly:

 

dive, drown, fly, hang, lead, prove, sit, set and shrink.

 

But lie and lay seem to give people more difficulty than do all the other irregular verbs combined. That's probably because the past tense form of lie is lay and thus indistinguishable from lay in the present tense except in usage. (Sit and set, probably the irregular verbs that give people the most trouble next to lie and lay, for example, have no parts in common. It's sit, sat and sat but set, set, set.)

 

The principal parts (most-common verb forms) of lie are:

 

lie (present,) lay (past) and lain (past participle).

 

The principal parts of lay are:

 

lay (present), laid (past) and laid (past participle).

 

As an aid in choosing the correct verb forms, remember that lie means to recline, whereas lay means to put something down.

 

• Lie means that the actor (subject) is doing something to himself or herself. It's what grammarians call a complete verb. When accompanied by subjects, complete verbs tell the whole story.

• Lay, on the other hand, means that the subject is acting on something or someone else; therefore, it requires a complement to make sense. Thus lay always takes a direct object. Lie never does.

 

More on “lie”: In its simplest (command) form, when the you is implied, lie is a sentence all by itself. If you tell your dog, “Lie,” as in “(You) lie (down),” that's a complete sentence. (The same is true, by the way, of sit.) In written material, we generally use down with lie when we mean to recline not because down is needed grammatically but because we wish to distinguish from the regular verb lie, meaning to tell an untruth (as in lie, lied, lied).

 

Tip: Always remember that lay is a transitive verb and requires a direct object. (A transitive verb acts as a conveyor belt, transmitting action or influence from the subject to the object.)

 

Correct Usage:

 

Lie

Present tense: I lie down on my bed to rest my weary bones.

Past tense: Yesterday, I lay there thinking about what I had to do during the day.

Past participle: But I remembered that I had lain there all morning one day last week.

 

Lay

Present tense: As I walk past, I lay the tools on the workbench.

Past tense: As I walked past, I laid the tools on the workbench. And: I laid an egg in class when I tried to tell that joke.

Past participle: . . . I had laid the tools on the workbench.

[Guest SmiChou]

is this real ?

 

An ounce of discretion is worth a pound of wit

[djamal 2008 10]

is this real ?

 

An ounce of discretion is worth a pound of wit

 

 

What I wanted to convey by this post was the confusion between the two verbs wich even native speakers have trouble with. If you happen to have an issue with the last paragraph then it's been erased.

 

Even Eric Clapton erred when he sang lay down Sally, he should have said lie down sally.

[Guest SmiChou]

What I wanted to convey by this post was the confusion between the two verbs wich even native speakers have trouble with. If you happen to have an issue with the last paragraph then it's been erased.

 

Even Eric Clapton erred when he sang lay down Sally, he should have said lie down sally.

 

i had no problem with the last paragraph; so be direct plz!

i don't like paradoxal msgs ....... friendly

[Guest SmiChou]

 

what do you think ?

it's illogic i know, lol

[Guest SmiChou]

H Aniss how're you darling ??

I'im sorry I couldn't call you :04:

 

bsr my flower, do you know that i missed you ! i was scary when i gave you my number.

[Guest Nimos]

Swing it :-)

 

Well sounds good as an idea but guess eveybody is talking about the fact that the idea is good and never tries to establish a real topic, so i'm proposing to talk about the ability of algerians to talk really and correctly one language, I think that as algerians we have a very difficult problem in communication which is "Having not a unique language to speak with from start to end"

I mean if you talk to someone in french then after two or five minutes he will starts to use another language, that is of course the same for using arabic or english or even kabylian I think.

 

I guess this also because of the school and the education people give to their childre, ideas such as "Selek rouhek" and "Fewet ha berk" have caused several and massive destruction in our communication ways

 

but this is only an idea

[Guest SmiChou]

why ,didn't you answer me ??

I called you with a privite number , Im so angry :mad:

 

it was you ?! :eek:

i didn't know ....... i'm sorry my crazy girl

try plz ... u know that i care about u

ps : coz i don't anwser private numbers !

[Guest SmiChou]

Ok , wait a minute :o

 

 

wow ! you let me happy by ur call, thanks miss, you are so sweet , i hope w'll talk again.......... i falled in love :D

:40:

[Guest Nimos]

hi

 

Well let me guess who will be invited to your wedding? lol

[Guest Nimos]

hi

 

OOOOOPPS I did it again lol

 

Sorry but have not yet known who is who here

[Guest SmiChou]

did you see which a lovely voice I have :05: lol

 

I was happy too darling , sure I'll call you again ;)

 

next year at the same time :D

 

how crazy girl you are ! be sure that my lady is talking with someone now on msn who will tell her if we can find who call us by a private number :big green: @ nimos : u r invited to the dinner coz she'll have a baby tomorrow

[Guest SmiChou]

hahaha , she has the same probleme us me :D

 

but she hasn't got a voice like yours :40:

[Guest SmiChou]

i recieved that e-mail in 21 october from an american friend

THIS IS SERIOUS IF OBAMA REALLY FEELS THIS WAY!

A strong government hand is needed to assure that wealth is distributed more equitably.'

 

 

Barack Hussein Obama

 

More Barack Hussein Obama pearls of socialist/Marxist wisdom follow.

 

 

 

 

 

From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father :'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father:'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

 

 

From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

 

 

 

 

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

 

 

From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

 

 

* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to Do so!!! We CANNOT have someone with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!! I don't care whether you are Democrat ora Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this type of character in a President. PLEASE help spread the word

[Guest SmiChou]

ohh thanks my dear you're so kind :40:

 

u 2 , coz u called me ! :D

[oneway 11]

good evening fellows

as you can see

i am back

[Guest SmiChou]

marge i feel crazy (juste or that ?????????????? ):confused:

[Guest SmiChou]

I forgot the "F" excuse me :p

 

be sure that u r kind*

* : with me :D

[Guest SmiChou]

ya but my dog isn't kind like me :mdr:

 

but i love him (or it ?) lol :D

[Guest SmiChou]

I don't think that he (or it) loves you too :D

evil marge !

[Guest SmiChou]

thank's a lot :D

 

how is ur lover ? (i'm not giving the false to obtein the truth) :D

[Guest SmiChou]

how or who?? I know that's only my game :04:

 

you'll never know :D

 

i said "how" coz i'm sure that there is a who (if u r la belle marge du forum ):D

[Guest SmiChou]

can't talk about him , I feel so shame :04:

 

don't be, i'm not jalous :40:

[XxSafiaxX 10]

Hello everybody!!

I'm new to this forum, just joined today and I just wanted to let everyone know .

I'm also an English speaker, very advanced so if anyone ever needs help just PM me.

However I do not speak French, so I use a Google translater ;).

[Candy 10]

hello , and welcome

I have just a question , how did find ower forum if you don't speak french ?? :04:

 

biiiiiiiiiiiiiiip :D