Palestiniens, Israéliens, qui a raison ?

[Yimjek 10]

Don't exaggerate :D

 

well, the Umayyad Empire and the Abbassid Empire, were indeed Arab Empires.

[Yimjek 10]

j'ai trouvé, tu sors d'une manga ou d'un comic(s)……

 

why are you so disrespectul of anyone who doesn't use your French language ?

 

are you French ?

[AwiTerredh 10]

well, the Umayyad Empire and the Abbassid Empire, were indeed Arab Empires.

 

Ulayyad Empire : Damascus

Syria : The Assyrians (Syriac: ܣܘܪܝܝܐ), also known as Syrians, Syriacs, Arameans, and Chaldeans (see names of Syriac Christians), are an ethnic group whose origins lie in ancient Mesopotamia. They are a Semitic people who speak, read, and write distinct dialects of Eastern Aramaic exclusive to Mesopotamia and its immediate surroundings.

 

Abbasid Caliphate : Kufa (Irak) old Mesopotamia

Language and writing

 

The earliest language written in Mesopotamia was Sumerian, an agglutinative language isolate. Along with Sumerian, Semitic dialects were also spoken in early Mesopotamia. Subartuan[14] a language of the Zagros, perhaps related to the Hurro-Urartuan language family is attested in personal names, rivers and mountains and in various crafts. Akkadian, came to be the dominant language during the Akkadian Empire and the Assyrian empires, but Sumerian was retained for administration, religious, literary, and scientific purposes. Different varieties of Akkadian were used until the end of the Neo-Babylonian period. Aramaic, which had already become common in Mesopotamia, then became the official provincial administration language of first the Neo Assyrian Empire, and then the Achaemenid Persian Empire. Akkadian fell into disuse, but both it and Sumerian were still used in temples for some centuries. The last Akkadian texts date from the late 1st century AD.

 

Early in Mesopotamia's history (around the mid-4th millennium BC) cuneiform script was invented for the Sumerian language. Cuneiform literally means "wedge-shaped", due to the triangular tip of the stylus used for impressing signs on wet clay. The standardized form of each cuneiform sign appears to have been developed from pictograms. The earliest texts (7 archaic tablets) come from the E Temple dedicated to the goddess Inanna at Uruk, from a building labeled as Temple C by its excavators.

 

The early logographic system of cuneiform script took many years to master. Thus, only a limited number of individuals were hired as scribes to be trained in its use. It was not until the widespread use of a syllabic script was adopted under Sargon's rule[citation needed] that significant portions of Mesopotamian population became literate. Massive archives of texts were recovered from the archaeological contexts of Old Babylonian scribal schools, through which literacy was disseminated.

 

During the third millennium BC, there developed a very intimate cultural symbiosis between the Sumerian and the Akkadian language users, which included widespread bilingualism.[15] The influence of Sumerian on Akkadian (and vice versa) is evident in all areas, from lexical borrowing on a massive scale, to syntactic, morphological, and phonological convergence.[15] This has prompted scholars to refer to Sumerian and Akkadian in the third millennium as a sprachbund.[15] Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as the spoken language of Mesopotamia somewhere around the turn of the 3rd and the 2nd millennium BC (the exact dating being a matter of debate),[16] but Sumerian continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary, and scientific language in Mesopotamia until the 1st century AD.

[Yimjek 10]

Ulayyad Empire : Damascus

Syria : The Assyrians (Syriac: ܣܘܪܝܝܐ), also known as Syrians, Syriacs, Arameans, and Chaldeans (see names of Syriac Christians), are an ethnic group whose origins lie in ancient Mesopotamia. They are a Semitic people who speak, read, and write distinct dialects of Eastern Aramaic exclusive to Mesopotamia and its immediate surroundings.

 

Abbasid Caliphate : Kufa (Irak) old Mesopotamia

Language and writing

 

The earliest language written in Mesopotamia was Sumerian, an agglutinative language isolate. Along with Sumerian, Semitic dialects were also spoken in early Mesopotamia. Subartuan[14] a language of the Zagros, perhaps related to the Hurro-Urartuan language family is attested in personal names, rivers and mountains and in various crafts. Akkadian, came to be the dominant language during the Akkadian Empire and the Assyrian empires, but Sumerian was retained for administration, religious, literary, and scientific purposes. Different varieties of Akkadian were used until the end of the Neo-Babylonian period. Aramaic, which had already become common in Mesopotamia, then became the official provincial administration language of first the Neo Assyrian Empire, and then the Achaemenid Persian Empire. Akkadian fell into disuse, but both it and Sumerian were still used in temples for some centuries. The last Akkadian texts date from the late 1st century AD.

 

Early in Mesopotamia's history (around the mid-4th millennium BC) cuneiform script was invented for the Sumerian language. Cuneiform literally means "wedge-shaped", due to the triangular tip of the stylus used for impressing signs on wet clay. The standardized form of each cuneiform sign appears to have been developed from pictograms. The earliest texts (7 archaic tablets) come from the E Temple dedicated to the goddess Inanna at Uruk, from a building labeled as Temple C by its excavators.

 

The early logographic system of cuneiform script took many years to master. Thus, only a limited number of individuals were hired as scribes to be trained in its use. It was not until the widespread use of a syllabic script was adopted under Sargon's rule[citation needed] that significant portions of Mesopotamian population became literate. Massive archives of texts were recovered from the archaeological contexts of Old Babylonian scribal schools, through which literacy was disseminated.

 

During the third millennium BC, there developed a very intimate cultural symbiosis between the Sumerian and the Akkadian language users, which included widespread bilingualism.[15] The influence of Sumerian on Akkadian (and vice versa) is evident in all areas, from lexical borrowing on a massive scale, to syntactic, morphological, and phonological convergence.[15] This has prompted scholars to refer to Sumerian and Akkadian in the third millennium as a sprachbund.[15] Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as the spoken language of Mesopotamia somewhere around the turn of the 3rd and the 2nd millennium BC (the exact dating being a matter of debate),[16] but Sumerian continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary, and scientific language in Mesopotamia until the 1st century AD.

 

 

But the Umayyad and Abbassid families were Arabian families originally from Hedjaz that established their capitals in Damascus and Baghdad as they conquered those lands,

 

and the official language of those empires were Arabic.

 

so they are Arabic Empires, with Arab rulers, and official Arabic language,

 

Even though the majority of their population was not Arab.

 

Just like the Roman Empire : Roman rulers, Roman language, but the majority of the population was not Roman.

[Yimjek 10]

Both Banu Umayya and Banu Abbas were Quraish Arabs, from Mecca.

 

With Banu Abbas sharing the Prophet's ancestry (Banu Hashim).

[AwiTerredh 10]

But the Umayyad and Abbassid families were Arabian families originally from Hedjaz that established their capitals in Damascus and Baghdad as they conquered those lands,

 

and the official language of those empires were Arabic.

 

so they are Arabic Empires, with Arab rulers, and official Arabic language,

 

Even though the majority of their population was not Arab.

 

Just like the Roman Empire : Roman rulers, Roman language, but the majority of the population was not Roman.

 

Oui comme les dizaines de millions d'Afrique du nord à l'Iran qui s'inventent une feliation avec Mohammed

[k-15 10]

why are you so disrespectul of anyone who doesn't use your French language ?

 

are you French ?

 

moi aussi j'ai plein de questions, tellement que la page n'y suffirais pas…..

quel âge as tu, quel est ton métier, ou vis tu, de quelle origine est tu, es tu marié, as tu des enfants, connais tu le chef des indiens.

bref, qui es-tu pour nous insulter en anglais à longueurs de posts, tu serais pas un descendant de mohamed Shakespeare des fois…..

[Guest Mahboub]

well, the Umayyad Empire and the Abbassid Empire, were indeed Arab Empires.

 

En effet, et c'était des empires du bas monde, les écritures de banou israel prophetisent des empires futurs dans la régions, ces deux la et celui des ottomans doivent surement y figurer dans les propheties

 

omeya était le frère de hachim

et comme tu as dit les abbassides sont aussi des banou abdelmouttalib

mais avec le temps ils ont agressé les descendants de Ali et Fatima et donc de rassoul Allah (as)

[Guest Mahboub]

well, the Umayyad Empire and the Abbassid Empire, were indeed Arab Empires.

 

L'histoire orientale commence au Yemen et Adam est du yemen (Eden c'est le yemen)

deux jardins à l'est et l'ouest c'est le yemen de l'est et de l'ouest

 

Les sumériens c'est en Iraq et c'est la civilisation de l'époque de Nouh

Les akkadiens de meme en Iraq et c'est la civilisations au temps de Ibrahim

 

aprés Ibrahim a du fuir nemrod, il est allé en Egypte et a eu à faire au faraon de l'époque

Puis dieu lui a montré finalement la terre de palestine qui sera pour lui et sarah

mais celle si a été stérile à ce moment, par contre la servante hadjer lui a donné Ismael

Alors dieu lui a indiqué la terre de pharan, le hidjaz quoi et le prophete Ibrahim a obéis

Aprés sarah a donné Ishaq et Ibrahim (as) faisait la navette entre palestine et hidjaz

[Yimjek 10]

moi aussi j'ai plein de questions, tellement que la page n'y suffirais pas…..

quel âge as tu, quel est ton métier, ou vis tu, de quelle origine est tu, es tu marié, as tu des enfants, connais tu le chef des indiens.

bref, qui es-tu pour nous insulter en anglais à longueurs de posts, tu serais pas un descendant de mohamed Shakespeare des fois…..

 

I never insulted anyone, just show me where I insult people,

[Guest leyla75]

Topic de tribalistes et de bigots...

A l'image de l'Algerie.

 

Et tu attends quoi pour y mettre de l'ordre ? On est tout de même loin du thème non ?

[admin 2]

Et tu attends quoi pour y mettre de l'ordre ? On est tout de même loin du thème non ?

Que tu me paies.

[Guest leyla75]

Que tu me paies.

 

Et tu te plaignais d'un topic "à l'image de l'Algérie" ? Mais ta réponse-même est "à l'image de l'Algérie" : tous ces gens payés à ne rien faire et qui attendent un billet pour juste faire leur boulot. :music_whistling:

 

:D

[Ladoz 11]

Comme tu le dis si bien. Comparaison n'est pas raison.

Ne me dis pas qu'ils ont conquis leur empire avec la fleur au fusil.

 

Les masses d'indigènes maghrébins ont adopté l'islam et la langue qu'il véhiculait avec conviction même si certaines tribus ...........juives menées par la Kahina ont essayé de "résister" (ce qui n'est pas condamnable en soi bien entendu) .

Les autochtones maghrébins ont ensuite conquis la péninsule Ibérique n'essaye pas de nous convaincre qu'ils ont été enrôlés de force :gun_sniper::gun_sniper:

[Yimjek 10]

Les masses d'indigènes maghrébins ont adopté l'islam et la langue qu'il véhiculait avec conviction même si certaines tribus ...........juives menées par la Kahina ont essayé de "résister" (ce qui n'est pas condamnable en soi bien entendu) .

Les autochtones maghrébins ont ensuite conquis la péninsule Ibérique n'essaye pas de nous convaincre qu'ils ont été enrôlés de force :gun_sniper::gun_sniper:

 

1) saying "indigenous masses" about our people is a French colonial vocabulary, and you would better drop it and use more respectuous terms, even though it's not your fault if the French colonial language took roots in the Algerian public.

 

2) Kahina was not jewish, this myth has been created by some 19th century French historians who took the name "kahina" for a local form of "Cohen" "Kahn", etc, believing Kahina was her real name, while in fact it wasn't her real name, but simply an Arabic name given to her.

 

in fact Kahina, like all Aures berbers and other Zenata, were pagans, and believed in ancient berber gods (ayur, agurzil, anzar, ifiri, tanit, .. etc) before converting to islam right after the death of Kahina.

[Ladoz 11]

1) saying "indigenous masses" about our people is a French colonial vocabulary, and you would better drop it and use more respectuous terms, even though it's not your fault if the French colonial language took roots in the Algerian public.

 

2) Kahina was not jewish, this myth has been created by some 19th century French historians who took the name "kahina" for a local form of "Cohen" "Kahn", etc, believing Kahina was her real name, while in fact it wasn't her real name, but simply an Arabic name given to her.

 

in fact Kahina, like all Aures berbers and other Zenata, were pagans, and believed in ancient berber gods (ayur, agurzil, anzar, ifiri, tanit, .. etc) before converting to islam right after the death of Kahina.

 

Indigenous masses is not an insult but a description.