Bourourou 11 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 Biden blames US allies in Middle East for rise of ISIS US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria. America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday. “Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad. “And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria. “The outcome of such a policy now is more visible,” he said, as it turned out they supplied extremists from Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda. Vice President of the U.S. Joe Biden. (Reuters/Andrew Gombert) Vice President of the U.S. Joe Biden. (Reuters/Andrew Gombert) All of a sudden the regional powers that sponsored anti-Assad rebels awakened to the dawn of a major international security threat in the face of ISIS – now called Islamic State. After being essentially thrown out of Iraq it found open space and territory in eastern Syria and established close ties with the Al-Nusra Front which the US had earlier declared a terrorist group. Now Washington needs a coalition of Sunni states to fight the Islamic State because “America can't once again go in to Muslim nation and be the aggressor, it has to be led by Sunnis, to attack a Sunni organization [the IS],” Biden said, acknowledging that it is for the first time that the US uses a geopolitical strategy. “Even if we wanted it to be, it cannot be our fight alone,” Biden said. “This cannot be turned into a US ground war against another Arab nation in the Middle East.” “But of what I’m more astonished is of his apparent amnesia about what America and Britain were trying to ferment in Syria only a year ago. They were not only putting staff intelligence personnel on the ground, and providing logistical support to the rebels in Syria; they were spearheading the campaign to try to oust Assad,” former MI5 agent Annie Machon told RT. She added that “Perhaps, the Vice President is finally learning some lessons from history. It does not matter who you think your friends are going to be in the region. Very often they will be taken over or subsumed into a more radical group.” Citer Link to post Share on other sites
mackiavelik 230 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 Joe Biden offers Israel full US support | World news | theguardian.com Citer Link to post Share on other sites
lelio16 10 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 de mieux en mieux !! parti comme c'est,plus personne ne va piger ce que demain sera fait, déjà c'est le cas, plus personne ne sait vraiment ce qui se trame en réalité j'aime bien certains qui viennent avec des assurances concernant les infos qu'on nous étale grossierement sur les médias dominants sans aucune gene, meme les "sites poubelles du web" ont du mal à voir venir quoi que ce soit à part la guerre généralisée bien prévisible, mais entre qui et qui, c'est pas encore "au point" Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Bourourou 11 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Partager Posted October 4, 2014 Le conspirationniste que je suis ne résiste pas à poster cette interview de cette ancienne officier du MI5: Biden tries to distance US from the mess in the Mideast’ Annie Machon is a former intel*li*gence officer for the UK's MI5, who resigned in 1996 to blow the whistle. She is now a writer, public speaker and a Director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Get short URL Published time: October 03, 2014 15:43 Addressing students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University, Joe Biden accused Turkey and the Gulf States of being unscrupulous in their pursuit of ousting President Assad and, in doing so, funding terrorists for the cause. RT: Why do you think Joe Biden's chosen to turn on his allies now? Annie Machon: I think there is very much an element of trying to distance America from the mess that is emerging in the Middle East. I’m astonished in fact that he actually told the truth about what some of its allied countries are doing in the Middle East. But of what I’m more astonished is of his apparent amnesia about what America and Britain were trying to ferment in Syria only a year ago. They were not only putting staff intelligence personnel on the ground, and providing logistical support to the rebels in Syria; they were spearheading the campaign to try to oust Assad. Assad was one of the few remaining dictators from the regional “axis of evil.” They’ve already got rid of Gaddafi and Hussein, they’ve backed off Iran and they certainly backed off North Korea now they have nukes. But Assad seemed to be fair game, and was a sitting duck as well because Russia at that time was trying to build a new energy pipeline which would go through Syria and provide the Russians with the Mediterranean base to get the energy from Iran through to Europe.So it was very much in America’s and Britain’s interest to try to destabilize Syria by trying to take out Assad and by providing support to these rebel groups many of whom then did evolve into these more extremist groups. Only last year our governments were still talking about aiding these groups, even Al-Nusra which has been taken over by Al-Qaeda extremists, which were frightening even for some of the regional Al-Qaeda people. They were desperate to get rid of Assad in order to thwart Russian interests in that region. An Islamic State militant (L) stands next to residents as they hold pieces of wreckage from a Syrian war plane after it crashed in Raqqa, in northeast Syria September 16, 2014. (Reuters/Stringer)An Islamic State militant (L) stands next to residents as they hold pieces of wreckage from a Syrian war plane after it crashed in Raqqa, in northeast Syria September 16, 2014. (Reuters/Stringer) RT: How do you think Joe Biden's swipe at America's allies will affect relations with them? AM: A very good question. It’s interesting that he has raised the fact that Saudi Arabia is involved in funding some of these groups. But I think America is really taking a risk here because they are such key allies in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, for them to attack them and to try to undermine credibility of what Saudi Arabia has been doing in the region, not just in the region but by funding Wahhabi schools across Europe and across America as well to spread this radical version of Islam, it’s quite frankly astonishing. RT: The US Vice President also said "there's no moderate middle" among Syria's fighters but America still insists on funding and arming the rebels. Is this a recognition, or signs of an emerging split in the White House? AM: Perhaps, the Vice President is finally learning some lessons from history. It does not matter who you think your friends are going to be in the region. Very often they will be taken over or subsumed into a more radical group. And we have seen this time and time again. This is what keeps creating these new threats across the Middle East. So perhaps there is a split and perhaps he is from the more moderate fraction as opposed to the neo-con hawks that Obama has sought to appease over so many years with only different interventions across the Middle East. RT: US intelligence is among the most powerful in the world. How is it possible that they overlooked their allies funding jihadists? President Obama has also blamed the intelligence services for failing to notice the emerging danger of ISIS. He's been Commander-in-Chief for nearly six years. Is it entirely their fault? AM: Well, he seems to drop the ball regularly. I mean they didn’t pick up only so-called hijackers before the 9/11 attacks either. They didn’t seem to have a very good feel for what was going on in Libya when they were in the process of toppling Colonel Gaddafi, and in the immediate aftermath when the Embassy got shot at. So this shows us a systemic failure of the intelligence that the US government is getting. And I would put that down partly to the overreliance on dragnet and electronic surveillance where it is very easy to miss all the needles in the haystack. What they should go back to perhaps is more targeted human intelligence sources on the ground that could really tell them what it’s like on the ground, and they can provide proper warnings to the people who need to make a policy about what they are doing in the Middle East. Citer Link to post Share on other sites
lelio16 10 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 j'ai lu récemment sur un site "conspi", en fait non, 'les crises fr ' trés instructif, une personne écrire un truc trop cruel, en disant que les forces de l'inertie sont trop importantes de nos jours ,et qu'il ne sert presque à rien d'étaler certaines vérités l'intention n'est pas un appel à l'autocensure, mais pour proteger le moral d'une personne bien intentionnée ( comme toi par exemple bourourou ) ou comment devoir affronter le quotidien en sachant que tout l'entourage et bien au de la, c'est un vulgaire troupeau de mouton sinon,daesh ne serait pas "inventé" Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Bourourou 11 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Partager Posted October 4, 2014 Joe Biden offers Israel full US support | World news | theguardian.com C'est un article daté du "Tuesday 9 March 2010 12.01 GMT" ! Ton intervention est comme un cheveux dans la soupe ! A moins que tu ne comprennes pas la langue mais je te signale que nous évoquons un autre sujet ! Citer Link to post Share on other sites
lelio16 10 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 C'est un article daté du "Tuesday 9 March 2010 12.01 GMT" ! Ton intervention est comme un cheveux dans la soupe ! A moins que tu ne comprennes pas la langue mais je te signale que nous évoquons un autre sujet ! ce garçon j'ai beau lire ses interventions, je n'arrive pas à " le situer" un peu comme son pseudo, machiavelique :D essaie de bien suivre ses posts, il est "politiquement" insaisissable, de la à déduire d'un quelconque adjectif, je le connais pas assez pour en conclure :cool: Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Bourourou 11 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Partager Posted October 4, 2014 j'ai lu récemment sur un site "conspi", en fait non, 'les crises fr ' trés instructif, une personne écrire un truc trop cruel, en disant que les forces de l'inertie sont trop importantes de nos jours ,et qu'il ne sert presque à rien d'étaler certaines vérités l'intention n'est pas un appel à l'autocensure, mais pour proteger le moral d'une personne bien intentionnée ( comme toi par exemple bourourou ) ou comment devoir affronter le quotidien en sachant que tout l'entourage et bien au de la, c'est un vulgaire troupeau de mouton sinon,daesh ne serait pas "inventé" C'est exactement ça ! Il y a 3 années nous étions quelques voix à dénoncer l'interventionnisme atlantiste en Libye alors que tout le monde chantait l'avènement de la démocratie. Nous disions que c'était la perte et la mort qui guette le peuple libyen et une destruction totale de son infrastructure économique que cet abruti de Gueddafi avait, malgré tout ce qu'on lui reprochait, construit. Ici sur ce forum, des idiots nous accusaient de soutenir des dictateurs. Ils ne comprennent pas que la "démocratie" atlantiste installe la mort et la destruction comme en Afghanistan, au Yémen, en Irak, en Libye et aujourd'hui en Syrie ! Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Bourourou 11 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Partager Posted October 4, 2014 ce garçon j'ai beau lire ses interventions, je n'arrive pas à " le situer" un peu comme son pseudo, machiavelique :D essaie de bien suivre ses posts, il est "politiquement" insaisissable, de la à déduire d'un quelconque adjectif, je le connais pas assez pour en conclure :cool: Il a l'air de soutenir les "frères musulmans" : il est pour les actions de la Turquie et du Qatar et contre l'AS. Il est avec l'AS, la Turquie et le Qatar contre l'Iran ! En somme, il suit des chemins tortueux et adopte même des postions tordues : il est avec les agnostiques lorsqu'il s'agit de parler d'exportation de "démocratie" occidentale dans des pays martyrs comme la Libye et la Syrie mais est contre eux lorsque ces "anti-dieu" dénoncent l'intégrisme islamiste ! Il ne faut pas s'étonner de le voir faire sortir sa tête d'entre ses jambes : c'est un contorsionniste invertébré ! Citer Link to post Share on other sites
lelio16 10 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 C'est exactement ça ! Il y a 3 années nous étions quelques voix à dénoncer l'interventionnisme atlantiste en Libye alors que tout le monde chantait l'avènement de la démocratie. Nous disions que c'était la perte et la mort qui guette le peuple libyen et une destruction totale de son infrastructure économique que cet abruti de Gueddafi avait, malgré tout ce qu'on lui reprochait, construit. Ici sur ce forum, des idiots nous accusaient de soutenir des dictateurs. Ils ne comprennent pas que la "démocratie" atlantiste installe la mort et la destruction comme en Afghanistan, au Yémen, en Irak, en Libye et aujourd'hui en Syrie ! ils ont inventé le concept " de la théorie du complot", ensuite, ils ont détruit l'éducation nationale dans chaque pays ou presque, les medias dominants se moquent ouvertement du monde, les gens n'arrivent pas à faire le lien d'un fait concret avec l'Histoire ( traité de yalta, sykes pikot etc ) et surtout les enjeux vitaux qui sont cachés ils ont ligotés les gouvernements locaux tous fantoches les uns que les autres, et avec tout ça, ils ont noyé la vérité avec mille infos mensonges supposées etre des infos contradictoires alors que c'est le meme fond moralité, ce qui devra arriver arrivera, et il est déjà trop tard pour tenter quoi que ce soit de positif, sauf à crier comme un zinzin dans la rue avec une plaque explicative sur le dos, mais la, on te ramène direct à l'asile :D Citer Link to post Share on other sites
Bourourou 11 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Partager Posted October 4, 2014 Dans l'interview de Annie Machon, on découvre que l'Arabie Saoudite avait ouvert d'innombrables écoles à travers l'Europe et les USA. Il ne faut pas s'étonner que des milliers de jeunes européens empruntent les routes du djihad avec prise en charge totale à partir de la Turquie ! Citer Link to post Share on other sites
lelio16 10 Posted October 4, 2014 Partager Posted October 4, 2014 tu le dit à moi !!!! les algériens ont les premiers à avoir gouté au bonheur des wahabites dans les années 80, à croire qu'ils guettaient la chute de chadli, du coup,on connait la suite, l'endoctrinement, je me rappelle trés bien comment il avait commencé, et quand je criais au loup à l'epoque, mon entourage me disait que j'etais trop jeune et que la religion faut pas y toucher maintenant, on a autre chose, pire encore je dirais, c'est pas du wahabisme ou obscurantisme ( c'est déjà gagné une partie des algériens ) le reste est partagé entre les pro occidentaux ataviques qui ne revent que de laicité fr ou je ne sais quel bonheur surfait, les anti arabistes viscéraux ( la faute à boumedienne ), eux ils sont triplement cocus, culturellement tout ce beau monde est trop limité, ou alors leur culture est en rondelles kashir ( saucisses ) Citer Link to post Share on other sites
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